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Muay Thai vs. Kyokushin

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Quick answer

Kyokushin is Masutatsu Oyama’s Japanese full-contact karate, which met Muay Thai in the early sixties, and its people later stood at the beginnings of kickboxing. Muay Thai fights in gloves with fists and elbows to the head and in the clinch, kyokushin bare-knuckle with no hand strikes to the face and no grabbing. Muay Thai has had full IOC recognition since 2021, neither is Olympic.

At a glance

Muay ThaiKyokushin
Country of originThailandJapan
Origin20th century (present form)1964
Founder–Masutatsu Oyama
ContactFull contactFull contact
SparringFull contactFull contact
Competition formatFull contactFull contact
Olympic statusNot OlympicNot Olympic
RanksNoYes (belts)
Rank recognitionfragmentedfragmented
AttireShorts and guardsGi required
WeaponsNo weaponsNo weapons
FormsNo formsForms at the core
Relative costmediumlow
Katas and forms in the encyclopedia–21
Techniques in the encyclopedia1427

Scales 1–5

Rated for the typical training of an adult beginner in an ordinary club, calibrated across all arts.

Physical demand4/5high4/5high
Injury risk5/5very high4/5high
Self-defence transfer4/5high3/5moderate
Fitness benefit4/5highnot rated
How we rate the scales →

What each art is built from

Editorial rating 0–3: how much room each area gets in ordinary training.

Muay ThaiKyokushin
Hand strikes
Kicks
Throws & takedowns
Ground fighting
Locks & holds
Weapons

History and relationship

Kyokushin is Masutatsu Oyama’s Japanese full-contact karate, built on the styles Shotokan and Goju-ryu. It met Muay Thai in Bangkok in the early sixties, and its people later stood at the beginnings of both Japanese and Dutch kickboxing.

  • 1953: Oyama opens a dojo in Tokyo, the name Kyokushinkai is adopted in 1957.
  • Sources give February 1964 or 12 February 1963: three karateka from Oyama’s dojo fight at Lumpinee. Kenji Kurosaki lost by elbow KO to Rawee Dechachai, Nakamura and Fujihira won, 2:1 for kyokushin.
  • 1964: Oyama founds IKO and the Honbu headquarters in Ikebukuro.
  • 1966: Osamu Noguchi founds the Kickboxing Association. In 1969 Kurosaki leaves kyokushin and founds Mejiro Gym.
  • 1972: Thom Harinck, 6th dan in kyokushin, founds Chakuriki Gym in Amsterdam, adding Muay Thai later.
  • 1978: Toshio Fujiwara of Mejiro Gym becomes the first foreigner to win a Rajadamnern title.
Related in the encyclopedia
Masutatsu OyamaOsamu NoguchiThom Harinck

Technique

Muay Thai
  • Eight weapons: fists, elbows, knees and shins.
  • Punches and elbows to the head allowed (IFMA).
  • Clinch allowed, the referee breaks it with the command yaek.
  • Prohibited (IFMA): groin strikes, strikes to the ankle, to the back of the head, intentional headbutts.
Kyokushin
  • Fists, kicks and knees, bare-knuckle.
  • Kicks to the head allowed, hand and elbow strikes to the face and throat prohibited (WKO).
  • Kicks to the legs allowed, kicks to the knee joint prohibited (WKO).
  • Grabbing, clinching and throws prohibited (WKO), Ashihara and Enshin allow a one-handed grab for a throw.

Kicks and knees are shared. The difference lies in the hands and at close range: Muay Thai aims fists and elbows at the head and fights in the clinch, kyokushin attacks with the hands only to the body. The approach without face punches was questioned by Kenji Kurosaki before he left kyokushin.

Related in the encyclopedia
ClinchKumite

Training

Muay ThaiKyokushin
Foundationrunning, shadow boxing, skipping rope, pad work, medicine ballkihon, kata, kumite, tameshiwari
Rounds3–5 minutes with a break of 1–2 minuteswe have not been able to document the structure of a lesson
Formsnone, ram muay is a ritualkata by grade, from Taikyoku to Pinan and Yantsu
Conditioningbodyweight exercises, abdominal exerciseswe found no content of the conditioning part

Muay Thai builds a lesson around pads and rounds, kyokushin around the Japanese scheme of kihon, kata, kumite, which includes board breaking. We have not been able to document the ratio of technique to sparring for either.

Progression and ranks

Muay ThaiKyokushin
Gradesthere are no unified ones, some schools use pra jiadkyu and dan up to 10th dan, colours and order depend on the organisation
Milestonethe trainer hands over the mongkhon headbandKyokushin-kan: for 1st dan 10-man kumite or an equivalent
Test by fightingnot documented100-man kumite, completed by Oyama, Steve Arneil, Shokei Matsui and Francisco Filho

Kyokushin has an examination order in which, besides technique, a series of consecutive fights is also performed. Muay Thai has no unified grading order and the level is shown mainly by the fight record.

Physical load and risks

Muay Thai
  • Strotmeyer et al. 2016 (195 fighters): injury in the last fight in 55.4%.
  • Limbs 58%, head and neck 30.6%, concussion in 5.4% of fighters.
  • Sieńko-Awierianów et al. 2016 (40 practitioners of one club): injury in training in 55%.
Kyokushin
  • Piejko, Mosler and Grzebisz 2019 (questionnaire, 61 elite competitors from Poland): 548 reported injuries.
  • Most often bruises (91%) and joint injuries (49%), fractures and sprains 7% each.
  • A serious or lasting injury was reported by 35% of men and 12% of women.
The studies have different samples and indicators and cannot be compared directly. The authors of the kyokushin study point out that the results cannot be generalised beyond competitors. We found no contraindications to kyokushin. With a health limitation, it is advisable to consult a doctor before starting.

Who it suits

Muay Thai (IFMA)Kyokushin
Lowest competition agecategories from 10 yearswe found no children’s rules of IKO or WKO
Upper limitseniors up to 40 years, there are no veteranswe found none
Womensame weights and rules as men, chest protector, first women’s bouts at Rajadamnern in 2022WKO: rounds from the quarter-final 2 minutes, protector of the breasts, groin and shins

Children

Muay ThaiKyokushin
Competition fromIFMA 10 years, the 1999 Thai law gives over 15 yearswe found no children’s rules of IKO or WKO
Prohibitedwe found no special prohibitions for children in the IFMA ruleswe found none
Protectiontrunk protector, helmet, shin and elbow protectorsin kumite often a head guard, we found no organisation or age
Bout length3 × 1 to 3 × 2 minutes depending on agewe found none
Study of childrenabstract (333 child boxers and 200 controls): lower IQ, declining with years of boxingwe found none
Physicians’ positionsRamathibodi Hospital: up to 10 years no contact, up to 15 years no blows to the headwe found none
Children’s Muay Thai is a fight with blows to the head, cushioned by shorter rounds and protectors. For children’s kyokushin we have not been able to document the rules or any study, and adult rules cannot be transferred to children.

Self-defence

Muay Thai
  • Sparring and clinch against a partner’s resistance.
  • Fists and elbows to the head, kicks, knees.
  • Modern Muay Thai does not develop ground work or weapons.
Kyokushin
  • Full contact standing, bare-knuckle.
  • The rules exclude hand strikes to the head, clinching and grabbing.
  • Goshin Jitsu programme influenced by Daito-ryu, we found no scope.

Both arts train standing against full resistance. Muay Thai also covers strikes to the head and the clinch, kyokushin hard bare-knuckle contact. Competition covers the ground in neither, and we found no study of transfer to real self-defence.

Practical use

Muay ThaiKyokushin
Adult programmesIFMA lists fitness classes for every levelwe found none, apart from the self-defence Goshin Jitsu
Fitness studywe have not been able to document onewe found none
Older age30 seniors aged 60–70, Muay Thai dance: improved mobility and strength after 8 weekswe found none

For Muay Thai it is one small study with a modified dance, for kyokushin we found no study. No general conclusion about suitability can be drawn from this.

Competition

Muay ThaiKyokushin
BoutIFMA 3 × 3 minutes, Lumpinee at most 5 × 3 minutesworld tournaments 3 minutes, up to three extensions of 2 minutes
Winpoints (ten-point must), KO, RSCippon for a knockdown longer than 3 seconds, two waza-ari are an ippon, otherwise the judges, finally also weight or tameshiwari
Glovesmandatoryno gloves
World ChampionshipsIFMA since 1993first World Open 1975, after the split each organisation holds its own editions

Kyokushin does not score individual hits but the knockdown. For televised kickboxing in April 1969, Yamazaki and Soeno prepared for about two months at the Kyokushin Gym.

Related in the encyclopedia
IpponWaza-ari

Gear and costs

Muay ThaiKyokushin
GlovesIFMA 10 ounces, Lumpinee 8 or 10 depending on weightnone in competition, in some non-tournament situations yes
Protectorsshin and elbow, helmet, groin guard, mouthguardWKO: men groin guard, mouthguard optional, women protector of the breasts, groin and shins
Clothingshorts and a red or blue shirt (IFMA)gi
Relative costsmediumlow

Availability and organisations

Muay ThaiKyokushin
OrganisationsIFMA, professionals WMC (since 2019 with IFMA)IKO (Matsui), WKO Shinkyokushinkai (Kenji Midori), IKO-3, KWO (the Oyama family), IFK and others
Why so many organisations–Oyama died in 1994 without a successor, a family court in 1995 declared his will invalid
Grades when movingthere are no unified oneswe found no mutual recognition between organisations

Switching and combining

Muay Thai
  • Kicks, knees and the habit of full contact carry over.
  • Unlearn hand and elbow strikes to the face and the clinch.
  • Add kata, kihon and board breaking.
Kyokushin
  • Kicks, knees and resilience to full contact carry over.
  • Learn to cover the head against fists and elbows.
  • Learn the clinch and strikes from it.

On the left the transition from Muay Thai to kyokushin, on the right the opposite direction. Terutomo Yamazaki, winner of the 1969 All Japan kyokushin tournament, knocked out Thai opponents in kickboxing and then brought kicks, elbows and knees from Muay Thai into karate. Andy Hug, who began in kyokushin, won WMTC and WKA titles in Muay Thai in 1996.

Philosophy

Muay Thai
  • Wai khru ram muay: respect for the teacher, parents and ancestors.
  • Three bows to the Buddha, the dhamma and the sangha.
  • The mongkhon headband as a tribute to the gym.
Kyokushin
  • The name kyokushin means roughly the ultimate truth.
  • We have not been able to document a motto or a coherent philosophy of the style in verified sources.
Related in the encyclopedia
Ram muayMongkhon

Forms and terminology

Muay Thai has no scored forms, ram muay is a personal ritual before a bout. Kyokushin teaches kata from two lines: northern Taikyoku, Pinan, Kanku and Sushiho from Shuri-te and Shotokan, southern Gekisai, Sanchin, Tensho, Saifa, Seienchin, Seipai and Yantsu from Naha-te and Goju-ryu. The kata Garyu was created by Oyama.

Related in the encyclopedia
KataTaikyoku ShodanSanchinTenshoYantsuGaryu

Training culture

Muay Thai
  • The mongkhon as a tribute to the gym, pra jiad armbands on the arm.
  • 17 March is Muay Thai Day.
  • At Rajadamnern, betting with hand signals is legal.
Kyokushin
  • Tameshiwari is part of the examinations and of deciding tournaments.
  • The film Fighter in the Wind (2004) tells Oyama’s story in a fictionalised form.
  • Practitioners: Dolph Lundgren (European champion 1980 and 1981), Michael Jai White, Bas Rutten (honorary 5th dan Kyokushin Budokai).
Related in the encyclopedia
Dolph LundgrenMichael Jai WhiteBas RuttenJon Bluming

Common misconceptions

  • Former students describe Oyama’s completing the 100-man kumite three times in three days as impossible.
  • The story of the 52 bulls: the only known recording was, according to students, staged, and the claims of breaking horns are regarded as legend building.
  • The film Fighter in the Wind is not an accurate historical record of Oyama’s life, it is based on a fictionalised book.
  • Researchers regard the legend of Nai Khanom Tom from 1767 as more mythological than historical.

Which to choose

If the aim is…
punches and elbows to the head and fighting in the clinchMuay Thai
kata, belts and an examination orderKyokushin
bare-knuckle fighting with board breakingKyokushin
a Thai ceremonial frameworkMuay Thai
full contact with kicks to the legs and to the headboth
competition under a federation with full IOC recognitionMuay Thai

Frequently asked questions

Did kyokushin beat Muay Thai?

At Lumpinee Stadium the trio from Oyama’s dojo finished 2:1, sources give February 1964 or 12 February 1963. It was three bouts under Muay Thai rules.

Is hitting to the head allowed in kyokushin?

Kicks to the head yes. Hand and elbow strikes to the face and throat are prohibited by the WKO rules, as are grabbing and clinching.

Is either of them Olympic?

No. Muay Thai has had full IOC recognition since 2021, but it is not in the Olympic programme.