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Vor, Nach, Indes

Vor / Nach / Indes

A trio of timing terms in German fencing: who holds the initiative (Vor), who reacts (Nach), and the moment when the initiative can be gained (Indes).

Quick Facts

Term typeTactics, timing and mindset
LanguageGerman
Formphrase
Pronunciation[for / nahkh / in-des]
Alternative Namesbefore, after, meanwhile
Readings and romanizations
IPAfoːɐ̯ / naːx / ɪnˈdɛs

Definition

Vor (before), Nach (after) and Indes (meanwhile) are basic fencing terms according to Johannes Liechtenauer. Vor belongs to whoever acts first and forces the opponent to react. Nach belongs to whoever must respond. Indes is the moment when the fencer, guided by feeling in the bind, decides how to act and so can regain or keep the initiative. Liechtenauer's texts from the late 14th and the 15th century teach that the fencer should strive for Vor. Whoever is in Nach should use Indes to get into Vor. The terms parallel the Japanese go-no-sen and sen-no-sen.

Relations to other terms

Equivalent in another art

Sen-no-sen先の先

Striking the opponent at the moment they begin to attack. One of three ways of taking the initiative, whose exact interpretation differs between schools.

Go-no-sen後の先

Taking the initiative only after the opponent's attack. The fighter blocks or evades it and immediately strikes the opening that results.

See also

BindBinden

The moment in historical fencing when the blades of both fencers touch and stay in contact. The fencer feels whether the opponent presses strongly or weakly.

Associated Martial Arts

HEMAGerman School of Fencing